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Part 2 of 4
by Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
http://holocausts.org/
Copyright June 2002, 2023. Edited and reissued 2023
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes
Now let's turn our attention to the subject of rescuing people trapped in collapsed buildings. The Emergency Response & Research Institute (ERRI) was a crisis, conflict, and emergency services news and resource center based in Chicago. It won awards from a variety of paramedic, security, and law enforcement organizations (ERRI Awards 1999). (ERRI is apparently no longer in operation under that name.)
The breadth and depth of the ERRI organization may be presumed from the ERRI homepage (ERRI Home 2001). In 1992, ERRI published an essay by the founder and Executive Director, Clark Staten, on rescuing survivors from collapsed buildings (Staten 1992). Staten is a US Army veteran and former police officer who retired as Assistant Chief Paramedic with the Chicago Fire Department. Clark has been a frequent lecturer on the tactics and political implications of domestic and international terrorism, and instructed the US Army, US Air Force, NATO, and a number of police, fire, and EMS agencies nationwide. He has presented at more than 160 conferences worldwide and appeared on virtually every major TV network and in the nation's top print publications to discuss terrorism and other emergency issues. (Police1 2006)
Staten's essay on rescuing survivors from collapsed buildings was so definitive and well-received by the emergency management profession, it was reprinted multiple times in various parts of the world over the following 15 years. One such was the International Fire Fighter magazine, shown at left. Though it is possible to read the reprint in the magazine on that webpage, the text may be more accessible from a cache of the original ERRI source (Staten 1992).
Study those pages. That is how the pros do it when they want to save lives. Staten's essay
will be our standard for measuring the Pentagon [non-]rescue.
Clark Staten cautions rescuers that:
Particularly in multi-story buildings, be prepared for the possibility and likelihood of underground or cave-type rescue procedures. This type of specialized rescue requires those experienced with climbing (ascending and descending) maneuvers and the use of technical rappeling methods. Each rescue team (minimum of two rescuers) going “underground” should have a safety rope attached and be in constant communication by radio with the surface. They should also possess a minimum of three viable light sources. Hose rollers and other types of “rope slip devices” must be used, as to avoid the sharp edges of concrete that will abrade normal rescue ropes. (Staten 1992)
It Ain’t Over Until It’s Over! Generally speaking, you will be criticized for any early termination of rescue efforts, if there are still people missing or bodies not recovered. A rule of thumb says it’s over when everyone is accounted for or the “field is cleared” (of debris). Practical application says that you will probably scale back the aggressiveness and scope of the effort after several days of rescue, but that you should remain aware of the fact that people have been successfully rescued alive after as much as twelve (12) days … buried in the rubble of an earthquake. In the March 1992 Turkish earthquake, a 22 year old nurse was pulled from beneath a building collapse after eight days. She was also quoted as saying that she had been “talking with her two friends”, who were also buried, for several days after the collapse … until she “didn’t hear them anymore”. The thought of someone remaining buried alive for several days should be enough motivation for most rescuers to continue with their efforts until every possible hope has been exhausted. (Staten 1992, emphasis added)
Yet Rumsfeld declared all the remaining 9-11 victims dead after only nine hours …
Rumsfeld's statement was pulled out of thin air. He could not possibly have known whether the buried victims were alive or dead.
Leadership drives men to extraordinary effort or paralyzes them with apathy. Rumsfeld's words seem designed to discourage any heroic effort.
According to Staten, debris from a collapsed building MUST BE REMOVED VERTICALLY.
In the case of building collapses, the magnitude of the shoring efforts and the type of equipment necessary to perform the rescue may be very different from normal extrication …
The importance of careful overhead lifting of debris, rather than vertical movement, can not be emphasized enough. As many as one-third of all building collapse victims that are rescued are found in spaces created by the way that building materials generally fall. Most of the collapse configurations that occur (lean-to, A-Frame, tent, pancake) create "voids" in which people may be trapped and remain alive. Vertical movement of debris will normally further collapse the sides of these "protective spaces" and can result in additional deaths of those that might have been rescued. (Staten 1992)
Here are two photos, taken a day apart. The first, published by NPR, shows two large cranes on the site on September 12. There is no sign that the debris is being lifted or that rescuers are rappeling into the ruins. But what a photo opportunity those operations would make: Cranes lifting the debris from the top, layer by layer, while rescue workers slid down the cables to shore up the debris and search for the wounded. The nation would be watching, breathless, glued to the TV screen, waiting for news of survivors. But we have no published record of any of that taking place.
The second photo was taken a day later, on September 13, 2001. It also shows two cranes in front of the Pentagon debris, showing that at least three different cranes were on site, available to do the work.
Look at the wreckage of the roof in the two photographs. It appears that little or no debris had been vertically lifted from potential survivors from September 12 to September 13.
How long would it have taken those cranes to lift the debris? The Pentagon is five stories high with a mezzanine and basement — it is not one of the World Trade Center Towers. The hole made in the building by whatever force was just 70 feet across. (US News 2001) .
That was not a massive job. Moreover, the Washington DC area is swamped with construction companies equipped with cranes; the local military bases have air transport planes and helicopters capable of transporting heavy equipment. Hoisting the debris vertically would have been no problem.
Instead of lifting the debris off vertically, the cranes at the site were apparently used to swing a wrecking ball into the portions of the building still standing, to demolish those sections instead of shoring them up.
The increased weight of new debris torn from the damaged building by the wrecking ball must have collapsed
any voids in the original debris that were sheltering victims. The result could only have crushed the
victims to death as they awaited rescue. That, along with spraying an (alleged) aviation fuel fire
with water, was a recipe for murder.
Crews began removing victims' remains Wednesday afternoon but there was no word on how many bodies were recovered. By evening, crews had started tearing down unstable parts of the building to continue their search. They hoped to have enough demolition work done by morning to enter the impact area. (Burns 2001)
If removing the remains of victims did not "begin" until Wednesday afternoon, 30 hours after the incident, we must wonder how many died in the rubble waiting for help. News from Third World countries after an earthquake commonly includes pictures of crowds of people immediately pawing through the rubble with their bare hands to find survivors. Contrasting that scene with the "rescue" at the Pentagon presents a sad commentary on the tragedy of 9/11.
Rescue teams were preparing to use a large wrecking ball on the collapsed section to clear away unstable rubble so that four special urban search and rescue teams of about 60 specialists each could get access to damaged nearby areas.
Rescuers probed as far as they could but "obviously in the collapsed areas, that will have to take place a later time, after we have made the building safe," [Arlington County Fire Chief] Plaugher said." (Reuters 2001)
But of course, authorities were not "confident" of finding people alive: they were doing everything wrong. They might as well have used a flame thrower to relieve a toothache, or a steam shovel to perform an appendectomy.
On Thursday, September 13, 2001, a Washington area radio station, WGMS-FM, broadcast an interview with a Fairfax County Fire and Rescue worker, who said all rescue operations had been suspended, due to a "credible" terrorist threat.
Think about it. On September 13, the US military had complete control of the perimeter of the Pentagon and an abundance of military planes to patrol the skies for miles in every direction. All other aircraft in America were grounded. Air space was still closed. How could any terrorist threat be "credible" under those circumstances? This report from The New York Times corroborated the WGMS report:
By late afternoon, firefighters and rescue workers had so far managed to remove only 70 bodies from the building, their work hampered first by smoke and fire, then by unstable debris and another tense, lengthy evacuation Thursday morning, this time because of a bomb threat.
Firefighters who had been working around-the-clock shifts recounted how their desperate efforts had been stymied from the start by repeated evacuations, including some in the first frantic hours on Tuesday when authorities believed a second attack was imminent.
"We were there about 14 hours straight, battling smoke in the dark. But the most frustrating thing was we had to keep dropping our gear and running for our lives when we wanted to stay and save other lives,' said Andrea Kaiser, a firefighter from Arlington County.
Capt. Robert F. Wirtz, also of the Arlington County Fire Department, said the military authorities had twice warned that radar stations had detected airplanes headed toward the Pentagon, forcing rescuers to drop their hoses and axes and race from the building, raising the question of whether other victims could have been saved in early hours." — The New York Times via The Orange County Register, September 14, 2001, "Pentagon toll at 190." (Myers & Becker 2001)
This from the Associated Press:
Recovery of the 188 victims of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon neared the halfway point Monday as officials began relieving exhausted search and rescue crews … Teams from Fairfax County, Va., and Montgomery County, Md., first on the scene after the hijacked airliner crashed Sept. 11, were being replaced by a search and rescue unit from New Mexico … "Certainly it takes a toll on the men and workers in there," said Tom Carr, leader of the Montgomery County task force. "We have to admit that."
But Carr described the rotation of search crews as standard practice for a prolonged effort like this. He said the reduction in the number of crews at the Pentagon of four to three indicates that work to stabilize the damaged building is nearly complete. (Pace 2001)
Notice the number of rescuers was REDUCED, on or before Day Six, September 17, 2001.
So here we are, six days after the disaster, and they have just started "concentrating" on the area under the roof? WHAT?? Have a look at the NPR photo, above. That area should have been scoured by rescuers long before. Without food, water, and medical care, few survivors could wait that long for recovery.
Once again: The Pentagon was just five stories high, and the hole (left by whatever happened on September 11) was 70 feet across. But we've just read that it's going to take 16 to 20 days for the world's mightiest military force with the most sophisticated and powerful equipment at its fingertips to recover the victims?
Notice that throughout this AP article, civilian teams are performing the rescues. The rescue efforts at the Pentagon should have been a military effort from Day One. After all, the 9-11 attack was an "act of war," was it not?
Let us repeat one sentence from the September 14 New York Times article quoted above. A civilian Arlington County firefighter said of the time she and her fellows spent at the scene.
The Pentagon is close to multiple military bases: Andrews and Bolling of the Air Force, Quantico of the Marines, and Ft. Belvoir and Ft. Myer of the Army. The Pentagon had at its command thousands of able-bodied troops.
Why were civilians doing "evidence sweeps" where they might encounter classified materials?
And why were civilians working 14-hour shifts?
For a remarkably contrasting incident, let's turn our attention to President Kennedy's Inauguration Day, 1961:
Early on the morning of January 20, 1961, Washington lay buried beneath half a foot of freshly fallen snow … Throughout the region, schools, businesses, and factories were shut down, and airports diverted inbound flights …
By daybreak, the military began their takeover. From Fort Belvoir, a heavy armored division of more than a hundred snowplows, front-loaders, dump trucks, and road graders crossed into the city to attack the ice and heavy drifts … (Bamford 2001 pg. 64, or pg. 56 in Anchor Books edition)
If Fort Belvoir could turn out vehicles to help clear the snow on Inauguration Day, what
happened to its public spirit on September 11, 2001? If rapid mobilization and friendly occupation
were no problem in a 1961 snowstorm, why was it a problem on a fine September day in 2001?
Instead of sending real help — trained aviation firefighters and disciplined men trained to work with heavy equipment in tightly coordinated teams — the military sent soda pop and other sundries to the civilian rescuers. The soda pop was provided by the Army and Air Force Exchange Service:
Mobilizing two 45-foot trailers from its Newport News, Va., distribution center, AAFES has established a field-style exchange store that provides rescue workers with free towels, bottled water, soft drinks, snacks, lip balm, T-shirts, socks and other items. The facility is operating around the clock.
"This is just wonderful, just fantastic, how AAFES is supporting the soldier," said Staff Sgt. Michele Hammonds, a public affairs noncommissioned officer with the Army Reserve's 214th Mobile Public Affairs Detachment, Fort Belvoir, Va. (Gilmore 2002)
PR flack Hammonds gushes about the support shown to the "soldiers." But the rescuers were civilians.
The military also provided "love dogs" and head shrinking sessions to the bereaved whose "loved ones" were missing.
Arlington, VA., Sept. 15, 2001— More than 300 family members and loved ones of victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the Pentagon have visited DoD's Family (Casualty) Assistance Center in the Sheraton Hotel here since it opened three days ago, according to DoD spokesman Marine Corps Maj. Ben Owens.
"The first family member arrived at 8 a.m. Wednesday morning," Owens noted. "They're met at the entrance and escorted upstairs where they're interviewed to find out what their concerns and needs are. We ensure they know what the status of their missing loved one is and provide them with the newest information we have. Currently, we have families here looking for more than 60 missing loved ones."
Depending on the family members' and loved ones' needs, the center provides such resources and services as counseling, chaplains, benefits, compensation, transportation, and financial, legal and lodging assistance. Family members are coupled with chaplains and counselors and taken to rooms for their private discussions. Forty rooms are available at the Sheraton, and other hotels in the area have offered rooms to handle the overflow … "We also have 'stress and love dogs' provided by Therapy Dogs International, Inc.," Owens said. "We asked for the therapy dogs because a family said it would be helpful if we had them." (Williams 2001)
According to The Washington Post, January 20, 2002, "The Last Watch," (pg. F1, Style section), the entire chain of command of the super secret Chief of Naval Operations Intelligence Plot (CNO-IP) was killed in the September 11 attack on the Pentagon.
One of the victims was Darin Pontell, who worked in CNO-IP. The Post reported that two days after the attack, Darin's parents were still hoping Darin was alive. Here is an excerpt from that article:
"Where'd I put my cell phone? Where is it?" Marilyn Pontell, Darrin's mother, grew frantic looking for her purse. Her Nokia was chiming "Take Me Out to the Ball Game."
Marilyn would be sick if she missed that call. Maybe it was news about her son. Maybe it was Darin himself.
Two days later, Marilyn and Gary Pontell still hoped their youngest boy had been spared. Gathered at Darin and Devora's apartment in Gaithersburg on Thursday afternoon, they could barely process the idea that he was dead …
Navy officials gave garbled reports: One person said someone who looked like Darin walked from the scene. Somebody else claimed he was working far away, in the A-Ring. And officials said they couldn't find his Acura Integra in the Pentagon lot …
The Nokia sang again, then silence. Too late. When she finally got to the phone, Marilyn scrolled through the menu. One missed call: 1:57 p.m. No message. But the incoming number was clearly identified. It was Darin's.
My God, maybe he was alive.
For five more days, they waited. On Sept. 18, the Navy informed the Pontells that Darin's body had been positively identified. His cell phone was never returned to the family. They presume it was never found. Perhaps the flip-phone had somehow dialed Marilyn's number when the rubble shifted. But didn't all cell phones have to be turned off upon entry into the CNO-IP [Chief of Naval Operations Intelligence Plot]?
The FBI offered a one-word explanation for that call: "Anomaly." (Lei 2002)
While Gen. Rescue Shelton, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Rabbi Dov Zakheim, and Army Secretary White should have been rescuing Darin and his Army and Navy colleagues from the debris during those early frightful days, what did they do instead?
On September 15, the DoD announced it had awarded a contract to the Hensel Phelps Construction Company of Chantilly, Virginia to rebuild the Pentagon. The contract has a potential value of $758 million, according to the DoD release, "Contract Awarded to Rebuild the Pentagon." DefenseLINK 2001)
Now let's see: Disaster struck on September 11. According to the Emergency Response and Rescue Institute, there may have been many survivors in that rubble on September 15. Yet on September 15, the contract to rebuild from the ruins had already been awarded. Is that bad taste, or what?
Come to think of it, does it sound as if the damage suffered by the Pentagon on 9-11 came as a surprise to certain people in the DoD contracting office? Does it sound like the job awarded to Hensel Phelps was open to competitive bidding and went through channels? How do you spell "fast track"? Did the Comptroller and Undersecretary of the DoD, Rabbi Dov Zakheim, have a role in the 3/4 $billion award? Whose friends and relatives will be on the receiving end of that? Surely no one would be tasteless enough to ask.
As the Emergency Response & Research Institute website told us, victims trapped by debris from earthquakes and other disasters can live up to 12 days. Do you think that maybe Darin Pontell was still alive on September 11, when Rumsfeld, "visibly upset," at his press conference, was swearing there could be no survivors? Perhaps Darin was alive on September 12, waiting for the cranes to lift the debris and free him. Perhaps he was alive on September 13, when his parents received a call from his cell phone. Had he been reached in time, perhaps Darin might be alive today.
Gen. Leave-No-Man-Behind Shelton, Messrs. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rabbi Zakheim, and the National Command Center were surely accomplices to the murder of Darin Pontell and the others. The gang simply used different weapons. They used water, a fire-cum-rescue media event, and a wrecking ball. And lies, lies lies, and more lies.
However, there is another explanation for what we see, and for Rumsfeld's certainty on 9-11 that "there cannot be any survivors; it just would be beyond comprehension." We'll get to that later on.
On May 24-25, 2002, the Washington Post ran a two-part story concerning seven (7) Special Operations team members who died during an attempt to rescue another soldier in Afghanistan in March 2002. The incident began when a US helicopter attempted to land to engage al Qaeda forces.
How it unfolded highlighted the extraordinary commitment of the American soldiers not to leave fallen comrades behind: The entire episode spiraled out of an attempt to rescue a single SEAL, who had fallen out of the initial helicopter … (Graham 2002)
Something is very wrong here. When we are unable to verify information, we are told a heroic story of events in far-off lands, first in Somalia, and now in Afghanistan. We are told that every individual soldier is precious to the top command.
Yet close to home, the picture is very different.
Body of Secrets by James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001; Anchor Books ed. 2002 in scanned copies below:
URL: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/cryptography/Cryptography%20-%20Body%20of%20Secrets.pdf
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/Bamford-Body-of-Secrets.pdf
"Pentagon Says About 190 People Dead" by Robert Burns, Associated Press via The Portsmouth Herald operating as Seacoastonline.com, Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Sept 13, 2001.
URL: https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/news/2001/09/13/pentagon-says-about-190-people/50283893007/
Archive: Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/190-People-Dead_seacoastonline.pdf
"25 Intense Photos Captured at the Pentagon on 9/11" by Amy Bushatz, Military.com Network, circa 2021
URL: https://www.military.com/history/25-intense-photos-pentagon-9-11.html
2021 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210907025202/https://www.military.com/history/25-intense-photos-pentagon-9-11.html
Cached: http://www.holocausts.org/911/rescue/nfpa-links/Bushatz_Military-com.pdf
"Contract Awarded to Rebuild Pentagon", DefenseLINK, United States Department of Defense, September 15, 2001
URL: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/b09152001_bt431-01.html 2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20010916110901/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/b09152001_bt431-01.html
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-afis-henselphelps
Photo by Larry Downing, Reuters via NPR, September 12, 2001
URL: http://www.npr.org/news/specials/americatransformed/scene/091101.pentagonhistory.html
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-npr-sept12cranes
Awards given to The Emergency Response & Research Institute according to its records.
URL: http://www.emergency.com/erriawrd.htm
1999 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/19990218181044/http://www.emergency.com:80/erriawrd.htm
Cached: http://www.holocausts.org/911/rescue/erri/Awards-Present-to-ERRI.pdf
Home page of The Emergency Response & Research Institute established circa 1993.
URL: http://www.emergency.com/
2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20010920002945/http://www.emergency.com/
"AAFES Provides Free Items To Pentagon Rescue Workers" by Gerry J. Gilmore, DefenseLINK, American Forces Press Service, Sept. 15, 2001
URL: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09152001_200109156.html 2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20010916121546/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09152001_200109156.html
"Ambush at Takur Ghar, Part I: Bravery and Breakdowns in a Ridgetop Battle" by Bradley Graham, The Washington Post, May 24-25, 2002
URL: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1951-2002May23.html
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/WP-Bravery-and-Breakdowns.pdf
International Fire Fighter, Issue 9, February 2006
URL: https://issuu.com/mdmpublishing/docs/iff-issue-09
Archive: Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.
"'What day is it?' woman asks rescuers, as 77-year-old also pulled from rubble more than a week after Turkey quake" by Talia Kayali, Rhea Mogul, and Hande Atay Alam, CNN. February 15, 2023
URL: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/europe/turkey-earthquake-survivor-rescued-rubble-intl-hnk/index.html
Cache: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/Turkey-CNN/index.html
“The Last Watch” by Richard Lei, The Washington Post, January 20, 2002, pg. F1, Style section
Cached: http://www.holocausts.org/Israel/The-Last-Watch_The-Washington-Post.pdf
"After the Attacks: The Pentagon; Defense Department Says 126 Are Missing, Raising Total Of Crash Victims To 190" by Steven Lee Myers and Elizabeth Becker, The New York Times via The Orange County Register, September 14, 2001
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/pentagon/AFTER-THE-ATTACKS-THE-PENTAGON_NYTimes.com.pdf
"Exhausted rescue teams relieved at Pentagon" by David Pace, Associated Press, September 17, 2001
URL: http://www.nando.net/special_reports/terrorism/rescue/story/80695p-1126250c.html
2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20010918035450/http://www.nando.net/special_reports/terrorism/rescue/story/80695p-1126250c.html
"Chief Clark Staten (Emergency Service News from the Emergency Response & Research Institute)", Police1.com, 2006
URL: https://www.police1.com/columnists/ClarkStaten/
Archive: Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/erri/Chief-Clark-Staten-bio.pdf
"Pentagon Reopens, Death Toll Uncertain", Reuters, September 12, 2001
URL (original not available): https://groups.google.com/g/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/c/YBfWHJCa5M8/m/TLsSwi4zOagJ
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-reuters-09-12-2001
Photo by Tech. Sgt. Cedric H. Rudisill, American Forces Information Service, September 13, 2001
URL: http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/sres.pl?Lbox_cap=349358&dir=Photo&ttl=010911-M%204122I-031&vn=&ref=defenselink
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-cranes-09-13-2001
URL: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.html
2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20011002024844/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.html
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-911pressconference
"Rescuers still locating survivors trapped for over 200 hours" by Sara Sidner, CNN, February 15, 2023
URL: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/02/15/turkey-earthquake-survivors-cnntm-sidner-dnt-vpx.cnn
"Building Collapse Rescue" by Clark Staten (former chairman of the Emergency Management Committee, National Association of EMTs, Emergency Medical Services Magazine, 1992
URL: http://www.emergency.com/bldgclps.htm
2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20010820193131/http://www.emergency.com/bldgclps.htm
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-erri-bldg-rescue
"No Hope of Survivors in Pentagon Attack," United Press International via Newsmax, September 12, 2001
URL: https://www.newsmax.com/pre-2008/hope-survivors-pentagon-attack/2001/09/12/id/663577/
Archive: Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/rescue/obq-upi-09-12-2001/UPI-No-Hope-of-Survivors.pdf
Graphic scanned from US News & World Report, December 10, 2001, pg. 31.
Cached: http://holocausts.org/911/usn011210-1.jpg
"Pentagon recovery operations continue", US Transportation Command, Release #: 010912-4, September 12, 2001
URL: https://www.ustranscom.mil/cmd/panewsreader.cfm?ID=2888C6E6-5056-A127-596BC2057948F336&yr=2001
"Round-the-Clock Center Aids Families, Loved Ones of Pentagon Casualties" by Rudi Williams, DefenseLINK, American Forces Press Service, Sept. 15, 2001
URL: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09152001_200109152.html
2001 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20010916120517/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09152001_200109152.html